How Victory in Europe gave women the first taste of a treat normally reserved for men

Mabel Kidney and John Roberts
Veterans Mabel Kidney and John Roberts had VE Days unlike any other (Picture: Solent News/Royal British Legion/Supplied)

Something unheard of happened in Mabel Kidney’s Navy barracks on May 8, 1945 – she was given rum.

The Women’s Navy veteran had never had a lick of the drink in her life before VE Day 1945.

But that all changed at the end of the Second World War, when she and her fellow Wrens participated in a renowned Navy tradition.

Mabel had joined the Women’s Royal Naval Service, affectionately called the Wrens, when she was just 17.

‘I felt I had to do something to help the war effort,’ the now 99-year-old told Metro.

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Mabel’s first drink of rum was far more meaningful than you might expect (Picture: Andrew Croft/Solent News)

‘I came from a Navy family, joining the Navy is what you did.’

Her life during the war had not been easy as a young teenager.

Mabel’s hometown of Fratton was mercilessly targeted by the Germans looking to destroy a nearby dockyard before she moved to HMS Daedalus barracks in Lee-on-the-Solent.

When the whole country was going wild with celebration on May 8 1945, the vibe was different to begin with in her Navy barracks.

On the day Germany formally surrendered, HMS Daedalus was ‘eerily quiet’.

She added: ‘There was nobody out. We were all relieved more than anything else, because you never knew what Hitler was going to do next. Everybody felt relieved.’

Wren Mabel Kidney. Mabel at Southsea Common
Mabel was just 17 when she joined the war effort with the Wrens

Mabel’s role was in the canteen and it was during food service when she was allowed to do something they had never done before – drink with the men.

It might seem unusual now, but sailors in the Royal Navy had a daily allowance of rum, called a ‘tot’ and equivalent to about two shots.

But on special celebratory occasions, the order was given to ‘splice the mainbrace’ and extra tot of rum was handed out.

And on the day of national celebrations, VE Day 1945, Wrens were allowed to get in on the fun.

Mabel said: ‘The Chief Wren put a mug on the counter for each of the sailors as they came along.

‘Then the Wrens were given a tot of rum too. We had to split it between four of us.

‘That was the first time I had rum, that day. We knew there was not going to be war on our land anymore.’

Wren Mabel Kidney. Mabel's wedding day 23 Sept 1949 - husband WWII vet Peter Kidney
Mabel thought she has seen the back of the Royal Navy when she left the Wrens, but then married sailor Peter Kidney

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the day picked up after that first alcoholic beverage.

She remembers how ‘you got drawn into a crowd wherever you were’ in Portsmouth.

The veteran left the Wrens soon after, but ended up marrying a Navy sailor. She now lives at Admiral Jellicoe House care home run by The Royal Naval Benevolent Trust.

Mabel told Metro how she witnessed the wild VE Day scenes from London on TV and radio.

She said: ‘It was madness. Half were naked, half did not know what they were doing.

‘There were sailors and servicemen with other countries, all mixed up there. Everybody was kissing and cuddling everybody.’

Three young women hold the Union Jack flag during VE Day celebrations on St. Catherine Street, Montreal
Celebrations were rampant in Montreal, where D-Day legend John Roberts found himself on VE Day (Picture: Conrad Poirier/Library and Archives Canada)

While Mabel celebrated on home soil, others like D-Day hero John Roberts were rejoicing far from Britain.

John, now 101, was a sub-lieutenant in Montreal, Canada, when news of Germany’s surrender in Europe spread.

John had been in one of the support ships for the Normandy landings, bombarding Sword Beach before the invasion began.

But he was in Canada training to be a pilot when all hell broke loose in Montreal – and when a fire engine swooped by at the perfect moment.

He told Metro: ‘For two or three months we could all tell the Germans were getting beaten. I knew it was going to end quite soon.

‘But when it came, Montreal was just as excited as London was. I hopped on a fire engine and I went around the town on it.

99-year-old D-Day veteran John Roberts, who served in the Royal Navy for 40 years, holding the new plastic-free paper poppy, the first redesign of the poppy for 28 years, at the Royal British Legion's Poppy Appeal Warehouse in Aylesford, for the launch of the Royal British Legion Poppy Appeal 2023. Picture date: Thursday October 26, 2023.
101-year-old D-Day veteran John Roberts wsa training to be a pilot when the European war came to an end (Picture: PA)

‘Thousands of people were on the streets – all pointing and laughing at us. The firemen were happy we were celebrating with them. It was a great day.’

John and his other fellow Navy mates rode the fire engine for about 15 minutes when they were eventually kicked off.

The fun did not stop there, John added: ‘I think we then went to the nearest bar.

‘During the week when we were flying we did not drink at all, but being from abroad we had more coupons than other people.’

It might all seem like joyous celebration, but the World War Two veteran also felt moments of melancholy.

Crowd celebrating VE-Day, Montr?al, Quebec, May 8, 1945
The gleeful Montreal crowd all cheered for John as he rode the fire engine around the city (Picture: Montreal Star/Library and Archives Canada)

‘On VE Day I was very conscious of the numbers of people who lost their lives. Many people were sad, they could have lost a husband or a father.’

John himself witnessed an Norwegian destroyer be torpedoed before his very eyes during the D-Day landings, when half the ship’s crew died.

He had a very close shave too: ‘Soon after that we received a signal that a torpedo was approaching our ship, so we all braced ourselves, which meant that we bent our knees to absorb the shock of the impact.’

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But the missile missed, and John was alive to think of fallen friends at the end of the war.

After the mixed emotions of that day, he was back to base shortly after to prepare to fight the Japanese.

The Allies battle against the Japanese Empire lasted three more months, until they surrendered in August 1945.

Rear Admiral John Roberts CB (97) the last surviving Captain of HMS Ark Royal IV (RO9), pictured as a Midshipman in HMS Renown in 1941
John Roberts, here pictured as a Midshipman in HMS Renown in 1941, narrowly lost his own life to a torpedo during D-Day (Picture: Supplied)

John stayed in the Navy until April 1978, by which time he had become Captain of the Ark Royal and had been promoted to Rear-Admiral.

The 101-year-old has regularly returned to the scenes of his former battles through the work of the Royal British Legion.

The charity runs countless events for veterans, and their Tea Party at the National Memorial Arboretum is likely to be the largest gathering of Second World War veterans on VE Day.

Mark Atkinson, Director General of the Royal British Legion, said: ‘This is one of the last chances the nation will have to pay tribute to the bravery and sacrifice of the Second World War generation, and to thank the small number of veterans still with us today.

‘Victory would not have been possible without the contribution of Allied Forces from the Commonwealth and beyond.

‘By bringing the nation together to celebrate the entire Second World War generation on this momentous occasion, we can hear their stories and learn more about how that diversity of contribution from Commonwealth countries led to Victory in Europe.’

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